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Candle_Kitty
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #60 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 12:39pm » |
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Number one, Ducky I love everyone on this board. You ALL have made me feel welcome, that's a hard thing to come by. I must have read your post wrong when you commented about religion, for that, I apologize.
Number two, yeah, I agree on the pillar proposition that they need to evolve with the rest of us. Violence doesn't solve a thing and in this day and age, with the technology we and everyone else has, it'll be catastrophic.
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I begrudge no one their feelings, but shame is a very strong emotion/feeling, and why on earth would a grown adult continue to live somewhere that caused them to feel it? Seriously? What is it that keeps you from moving away?
Unless anyone here has the money to front me to move myself and my family out of this country, then by all means, I'll give you my email address and we'll go from there. I am a serious working class girl, I don't have the dough lying around to get me out of here, because believe me, I'd be long gone if I did.
What keeps me here is faith and while it sounds like I don't have it, believe it or not, I do. I have faith in my family, my neighbors and yes, even my country as long as we get our heads out of our collective 'behinds' and realize what is actually going on. The human race is on a path to destruction with the continued belief that violence can and will solve everything.
There is a reason why I chose to live in the States in this lifetime. I have not been shown what that reason is, but once I find it, I'll move on and await the next life. Until that time, here I am.
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #61 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 1:10pm » |
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I'm not really a nitpicky person, but in reading your last post, I have found you to be very contradictory in what you are saying...which leads me to believe that you are simply extremely frustrated, and just don't really know what to believe. The contradiction is this:
Quote:I don't have the dough lying around to get me out of here, because believe me, I'd be long gone if I did.
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On one had you say if you had the dough, you'd be long gone, and on the other hand, you say what keeps you here is faith. So, which is it? Do you really have faith in your country? Because if you did, why would you be long gone if the money were in your hands? I am not trying to anger you or stir this proverbial pot, but simply to understand where it is that you are coming from, and probably being overly analytical in the process. I see every single day folks who live in this country for it's benefits and freedoms, and bitch about it constantly while they are here. Folks who live here illegally even, bitching about it daily. It is really starting to get on my nerves. I too know that the Universe unfolds as it should, yet my humanity causes me to question and analyze the things which frustrate me. I hope that you will be able to work these issues through and find some peace in them, it must feel absolutely horrible to feel the way you do about the country that you live in. I can't even imagine.
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Candle_Kitty
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #62 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 1:56pm » |
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Since I'm stuck in this country, with my family, with no real way to get us the heck out of here, wouldn't you do with the best that you have? Wouldn't you AT LEAST ATTEMPT to make the best with what has been given to you?
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #63 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 2:08pm » |
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Candle_Kitty,
I'm just curious, Where would you live if you had the means to move wherever you wanted? I personally love living in the USA. I believe that my family, my children, and I have been given so many opportunities, and the possibilities for our lives are endless. The problem with most people is that they are waiting to be handed these opportunities, instead of good old hard work. I am not saying you don't work hard. Please don't take it that way. You sound very frustrated. Do you really think it would be better elsewhere?
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Candle_Kitty
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #64 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 3:04pm » |
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I might actually end up finding out that no, wherever I go to, it might not be what I want it to in the end. That's a given regardless if I move to Canada, Ireland, Greenland, Costa Rica, or if I move to another state.
The thing about it all is just the fact that yes, I admit I'm frustrated, but I'm not frustrated to the degree that most seem to think I am and don't take that the wrong way.
I'm frustrated by the fact that no matter how many times we go through this, no matter how much fact or otherwise is said, typed out, expressed however one chooses to, most will not take into consideration the fact they need to stop going with their feelings and emotions and start going by what's in their head and what they learn. THIS is our greatest mistake, and by our, I mean the human race.
We don't learn from our mistakes, we don't go by what's in our head. Emotion drives us and yes, at times, that's a good thing. But when you are dealing with something this tragic, whether it's here, Madrid, London or anywhere else that's felt the deep-seated shock, grief and fear of terrorist attacks, the bottom line, the absolute bottom line is this. If we go with emotions, if we go by what's truly in our hearts, stay inside our warm, cozy little box, and not take the time to do the math, research or whatever to discover the true issue, someone is going to blast us straight out of that box and when that happens, we're going to be standing there SEEING what we should have to begin with and by then, it'll be too late.
The thing that hurts me the most is that if you look at it the way I just described it, the terrorists are slowly starting to blow everyone's cozy little boxes apart. City by city, building by building, brick by brick, life by life.
Everyone keeps asking, if violence isn't the answer, then what can we do?
We need to dig and dig deep. We need to seriously take a look at ourselves. Look at all those pictures of Iraq being torn to pieces, take a look at all those pictures of London, watch those videos again of 9.11, but instead of watching them to hurt and grieve all over again, we need to watch them from outside the box. Instead of feeling vulnerable like we all did and still are, we need to look at those with our eyes and see what THEY see. THEN AND ONLY THEN, can we truly start to explore our emotions and what has driven us to the absolute brink of major catastrophe.
Maybe then, we can learn what we need to. We can't change the terrorists, there's no way that's going to happen because children are being born right now that someday, will follow those six pillars of Islam. We could easily wipe them out as Rob and a few others here suggests, but don't you think for one moment that won't get others hating us? The Internet will provide those with the information needed to continue on that ancient belief in six, not five as it is now. And do you honestly think that one nuke is going to destroy one network of terrorists? They're all over the globe, so if we're going to take out one cell, we might as well blow ourselves and everyone else up, 'just to be safe'.
If anybody needs to change in this situation, to better the lives of everyone on this planet, we need to. ALL of us, not JUST the terrorists, BUT ALL OF US. I keep saying this to friends and family and although it gets a good laugh, it truly is something that COULD BE right.
Human's need the belief that we go on. We need that belief that we weren't put on this earth for just this one time, that something or someone, somewhere, put us here and there's a reason for it. We need the belief that God, Allah or whatever you choose as your Higher Power, will eventually save us all and it gives us comfort. And yes, it does give us that peace and that stability that we go on about our lives and things will be okay. Wouldn't it just SUCK if we all ended up bowing to Darwin??
Edited for Grammar: I think the police should be called on myself, I just committed major homicide on the English Language.    
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #65 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 3:11pm » |
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Wow...I can't imagine being ashamed of living in America, and feeling as though I was "stuck" here.
I thank God everyday that I was lucky enough to be born here.
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #66 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 4:24pm » |
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How wonderful it would be if we could just all hold hands, and celebrate the peace we had in our hearts and in the process of doing so, change ourselves, each other and the world, but we can't even do that on a message board, let alone on a global level. It's idealistic to say the least. It's not a bad thing, to have dreams and ideals like that, and we do indeed have to start somewhere..the only place we can, with ourselves. I am hearing part of what you are saying, but most of it got drowned out with the words I AM SO ASHAMED and the other words that followed. Call me closed minded, but it's hard for me to believe that anyone with that much anger towards their country can be enough of a positive influence on the world around them to bring about the type of change that you are suggesting. Maybe you should rethink it? Put it all down on paper, the positives, and the negatives..if you need help with the positives, I bet there's a bunch of folks on this board who'd be willing to toss in a "Why I love America" comment..I know I would, although I don't think I could stop with just one  I dunno, perhaps there's somewhere else you'd really rather be, and if so, there's nothing I can say that would change your mind. One thing is for sure..there's good and bad to be had everywhere, but I am thinking that you might need a good dose of "somewhere else" in order to appreciate what we have been blessed with in America.
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #67 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 4:27pm » |
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Candle, you said we don't learn from out mistakes and we need to use our heads and not emtions. I've always admited at this point I'm jaded and angry and want to put a stop to shit by dropping a bomb.
What do *you* suggest we do in order to stop making us targets for loons who hate us just because of where we live? Sitting around yapping about it with leaders has done nothing. Embargo's have done *nothing*. Our aid being cut off has done *nothing*. And yet the terror against our own and our friends has jumped ten fold. What is left? Where do we draw the freaken line in the sand and say this, and no more?
Please, believe me, I'm not trying to give you or anyone a hard time here. I would just like to know if there is another chance, another idea what it would be, and if it's workable, let's try it. Just keep my finger away from the button. Because as far as I'm concerned, thats the only answer left.
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #68 on: Jul 11th, 2005, 7:08pm » |
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on Jul 11th, 2005, 4:24pm, prairieannie wrote:| How wonderful it would be if we could just all hold hands, and celebrate the peace we had in our hearts and in the process of doing so, change ourselves, each other and the world, but we can't even do that on a message board, let alone on a global level. It's idealistic to say the least. It's not a bad thing, to have dreams and ideals like that, and we do indeed have to start somewhere..the only place we can, with ourselves. I am hearing part of what you are saying, but most of it got drowned out with the words I AM SO ASHAMED and the other words that followed. Call me closed minded, but it's hard for me to believe that anyone with that much anger towards their country can be enough of a positive influence on the world around them to bring about the type of change that you are suggesting. Maybe you should rethink it? Put it all down on paper, the positives, and the negatives..if you need help with the positives, I bet there's a bunch of folks on this board who'd be willing to toss in a "Why I love America" comment..I know I would, although I don't think I could stop with just one I dunno, perhaps there's somewhere else you'd really rather be, and if so, there's nothing I can say that would change your mind. One thing is for sure..there's good and bad to be had everywhere, but I am thinking that you might need a good dose of "somewhere else" in order to appreciate what we have been blessed with in America. |
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Well said! I agree!
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