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Sarabi75
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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #20 on: Jul 9^th, 2005, 11:07am »

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on Jul 8^th, 2005, 5:05pm, Candle_Kitty wrote:

I love my country for the beliefs our founding fathers put in place. What we have now is a travesty to THEIR hard work, THEIR dedication, THEIR love, and THEIR lives. I'm absolutely ASHAMED to live in this country, whether I stand up and say 'YES, AVENGE THE SOULS!' or stand up and say 'I THINK YOU'RE WRONG!'

You certainly are entitled to what you think, but if you think you are not free, try living in the middle east for one day. Other people may not agree with your choice of religion, but at least you have the choice. Don't forget that people are killed in other countries for having different beliefs BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT!! You are right that the American government is not perfect. FAR from it, but we are also a very generous, giving country. We provide money, food, medical aid to just about anybody that asks, without being repaid. We should all be THANKFUL that we are born in this country!

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« Reply #21 on: Jul 9^th, 2005, 11:29am »

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You said it so well! And having lived overseas it is so true, and yes like you said our goverment is not perfect but I wouldnt change where I live for anywhere else.

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« Reply #22 on: Jul 9^th, 2005, 11:34am »

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Very well said, Meredith. Where would this world be if we, the US, were NOT the superpower? God forbid.

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« Reply #23 on: Jul 9^th, 2005, 2:23pm »

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I totally believe in everyone's right to their own opinion and the right to express it, that is what makes our country work. However, I have to say I am with Rob on this one. I am generally a nonviolent person and I don't believe that violence is the answer to all problems, but in this case I honestly think that it is going to come to violence as the only solution. Terrorists do not want to sit and talk out their problems with us, they have killed innocent people including their own to make their statements. There is truly no place safe anymore. We are a country so worried about being politically correct that we forget that we wouldn't be a country at all if we had acted this way a couple hundred years ago. What if we had not stepped into WWI or WWII because we were against violence to solve our problems? When you deal with a culture (or subculture) that lives by violence and is surrounding with it in their daily lives from infancy you cannot deal with them by talking out your problems. I have felt both sides of this from friends who are muslim or middle eastern and from my family and closest friends who have had to go to Iraq and risk their lives.

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« Reply #24 on: Jul 9^th, 2005, 5:59pm »

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You certainly are entitled to what you think, but if you think you are not free, try living in the middle east for one day.....
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING! To sit here and think that any one of us in the United States is free is absolutely DEAD WRONG. But in the same sense, thinking that OUR freedom will work for someone else because it works for us is also DEAD WRONG.
Don't forget that people are killed in other countries for having different beliefs BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT!!
We're doing it now!!! The only difference is we're doing it to other countries, we're NOT any different than any terrorist network across the globe.
Other people may not agree with your choice of religion, but at least you have the choice.
That's the very sentence that no one can seem to get their grey matter around. Yes, people may not agree with my religion, you know what, ANYONE that can have the nerve to say that and STILL look down at any one country overseas for THEIR beliefs is a hypocrite. And I am not calling anyone here a hypocrite, I'm trying to make a valid point, please do NOT take it that way.
Because we seem to be a country that thinks we can solve everyone else's problems, stop and look at it this way. The Muslim's have THEIR beliefs, have THEIR knowledge and wisdom from THEIR higher power, YET WE'RE TELLING THEM THEY'RE WRONG because it's NOT fitting with OUR beliefs and OUR knowledge and OUR wisdom. So with that said, why, for the love of EGYPT are we over there saying they're wrong to begin with? THEIR choice is for THEM, not us and vice versa, yet we're telling them THEIR choice doesn't matter to US, WE KNOW WE'RE RIGHT!
So in essence, we're not giving anyone else a choice. It's our way or we blow you to kingdom come.
As far as I'm concerned, look up the word Hypocrite in the dictionary and a map of the United States should be right next to it.
You are right that the American government is not perfect. FAR from it, but we are also a very generous, giving country. We provide money, food, medical aid to just about anybody that asks, without being repaid.
We SHOULDN'T be generous, we don't NEED to be a giving country, it's been slapped in our face countless times that no one wants us around, yet we keep showing up on everyone's doorstep like the Aunt no one can get rid of. We have homeless people on OUR OWN STREETS, yet a third world country is getting OUR aid. Instead of trying to take on the world, we need to tackle our OWN issues, on our OWN SOIL.
Where would this world be if we, the US, were NOT the superpower? God forbid.
We're not making a difference to begin with!! We throw aid to third world countries CONSTANTLY. We sent all that food and medical supplies and doctors and blah blah blah to Ethiopia in the 80s because they were starving to death, men, women, and children. They're STILL STARVING TO DEATH. 9/11 happens, we PROMISE EVERYONE THAT THERE WILL NO LONGER BE ANY MORE TERRORISM IN THE WORLD!! We capture Saddam, we THINK we've gotten Bin Laden, we're pretty damn sure the Al-Qaida network is destroyed...
Uh, what was Spain and London? For that matter, what's Iraq?
I totally believe in everyone's right to their own opinion and the right to express it, that is what makes our country work.
Our country ISN'T working just for the fact that even though I have a right, by LAW, to sit here and say what I feel and what I think, someone, somewhere could easily take offense to this and sue my a$$. So am I truly free to speak my mind? Only to a certain degree and THAT, ladies and gentlemen is NOT freedom and it's NOT WORKING. And let's not forget the fact that no one wants us on their soil, if we were 'working' like everyone claims, we wouldn't be having the problems at home that we're having while we are terrorizing another country because they're supposedly not on the same scorecard as us.
Terrorists do not want to sit and talk out their problems with us, they have killed innocent people including their own to make their statements.
Ya know what? WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO ANYONE, WE'RE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING OUR OWN TO MAKE A STATEMENT! AGAIN, it's the United States' belief. We're right, they're wrong. It's okay for us to invade another country and kill their innocent people and terrorize them and we don't want to talk about it, we don't NEED to talk about it because WE'RE RIGHT. I dare say, THAT'S making OUR statement RIGHT THERE! It's not okay for them to fly planes into our buildings and kill our innocent people, yet it's just perfectly FINE for us to go over there and basically do the same damn thing.
When you deal with a culture (or subculture) that lives by violence and is surrounding with it in their daily lives from infancy you cannot deal with them by talking out your problems.
Anybody want to go back through history and find out just how many times the United States has been over to Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan? I don't think we've ever LEFT if I'm not mistaken, so in essence, WE created this terrorist network because WE ARE TERRORISTS OURSELVES. And then we all act like we're shocked and shaken when we have the Twins falling.
World War II?? Let me say this and see how many people have forgotten their history. The United States got into the war with Japan when we attacked a jap sub first....

Pearl Harbor was retaliation.

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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #25 on: Jul 9^th, 2005, 7:20pm »

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Candle...I read carefully what you posted and while you might not think things are working for this country (and to a degree I agree with you there) just the fact that you were able to write what you wrote without someone showing up at your door and dragging you out and shooting you or putting you in jail for it, shows that to date, it's one of the better systems that has been come up with.

I don't want to get into an argument about our own folks because, as a Native American, well... if I start on the us government, I could go on all night about what they have done in the past to my people (among others). I'm no fan of the US government at ALL.

The only point I'm trying to make is that the world is what it is today. And I'm tired of our people (and our friends around the world) being human targets for people who don't like our 'way of life'. I'm tired of people thinking it's okay to strap a bomb to their chests, walk into a crowded market and blow the shit out of so many people who did nothing but happen to go shopping that day or go to work that day in a tower in NYC.

Your right about Japan. If the shoe were on the other foot, we'd have probably done the same thing with Pearl Harbor. Does not make it right. Would not have made us right. And to take another lesson from WW2, how did we end that shit with Japan? We dropped the bomb. We *saved* many lives of our fellow country men and folks that were fighting with us by ending things when we did.

I'm sorry. I still believe, drop the bomb and end this crap with the middle east. We piss, we moan, we talk, blah blah blah. Nothing changes. *Ever*. We have to stand up and say, you know what, 'enough of this crap. and I mean, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.' And actually stand behind those words. You wont leave us be, fine. Drop the freaken bomb. End it.

Sorry if that came off as harsh, did not mean to insult or jump on anyone.

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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #26 on: Jul 9^th, 2005, 7:22pm »

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I posted this in February but wanted to repost it.

DID YOU KNOW?

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Did you know that the Iraqi government employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

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Did you know that Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers?

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OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW! —THE MEDIA WOULDN'T TELL US!

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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #27 on: Jul 9^th, 2005, 7:44pm »

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Pretty amazing and your right I didnt know that.

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« Reply #28 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 1:32pm »

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The only thing I'm saying is this, there's a reason for everything going down the way it is. There was a reason the Twins fell, there's a reason Madrid was bombed, and now London. My only suggestion is, we're all sitting here thinking this, that and the other when one simple move would help people see things more clearly and maybe understand where I'm coming from. Stop thinking inside the box. Step outside of it, look at the BIG picture. Think of yourself as cereal, pour yourself out and take a serious look around.

If memory serves me correctly, and Rob, I know you'll let me know if I'm wrong or not, we had already won World War II, there was absolutely no need whatsoever to drop that bomb. Japan had already surrendered, so what was the point of us killing millions? Not a damn thing except to show us as 'the big dogs on the block'. That kind of attitude, in my opinion, is what caused everything to go down the way it has since then.

Most of us on this board were born with a big red target on our back. Does anyone honestly think that we're going to be safe if there's ever any kind of invasion, and by we, I mean the American public? No, we won't. WE are viewed as evil, WE put those people into office, therefore, WE are the ones that have caused everything to go to hell in a handbasket. WE are the enemy, not our government. And while there are those of us, myself included, that know what we have done is wrong all the way across the board, it's not going to save us from our heads being on the block or end up dead in front of our families. WE live in America, therefore, WE are the enemies.

And here's something for our Canadian friends, you honestly think they're going to stop at the border? Don't think so, they're after the entire continent. Am I happy about it? Hell no, I'm not! Is there anything I can do about it? Sadly, no. Why would you be a target? Because you are the next door neighbor of the most evil country in the world, you MUST be on our side. Same goes with Mexico. Even though it took a Canadian to make me see what I see now and I know that most Canadians see it the same way he does, it doesn't save you.

Something else to consider is let's just go with the theory that the solution to this mess is drop the bomb as Rob suggests. Okay, so we kill millions and millions to prove our point. How does it feel to be a Nazi? And before I get a half dozen people throwing their hands up in the air, and cussing me out, and thinking I've gone mad, stop and think about it. Get out of the freakin' box and LOOK.

Hitler did the same thing. He didn't like the Jews for various reasons, we don't like the Muslims for various reasons. He saw the Jews as a threat, we see the Muslims as a threat. GRANTED, THE JEWS DID NOTHING BUT LIVE AND BREATHE, but what are they (Muslims) attempting to do over there? Hitler didn't understand, NEITHER DO WE. So, the only solution is, blow an entire race of people off the planet and be done.

Who do you think will be next to step up and be our next terrorist threat? China? Maybe North Korea? How about start the whole 80s era again, Russia?? Who's got those WMDs that Iraq had before we moved in and took over? You want to take that chance? We used the bomb, why not them?

The human race is DOOMED if we don't get this mindset that we have to be number one out of our freakin' heads. If anything should be blown to bits, it's this stupid BOX that everyone seems to love to live in. And to be honest, if a WMD is used on us, we deserve it.

And yes, I didn't know that all of the improvements are going on over there, good for them! BUT, in the same breath, we need to seriously take a look at a couple of things before we go throwing this huge party thinking we saved them and ultimately, saved ourselves.

They STILL hate us. They'll ALWAYS hate us. There's no way around it, there's no clear cut path to help ease this. While some of them are grateful for what we did, others are still plotting against us. We can't win over the entire populace based on the fact that we invaded them, we killed their innocent, we destroyed their homes and their lives. While they were building all those schools, all those hospitals, creating jobs, paving the way for a better life, LONDON WAS STILL HIT. And while they were building all those schools, all those hospitals, blah blah blah, we were still hating them. Most of us still do it sounds like and please don't take that the wrong way.

The only point I'm trying to make is that the world is what it is today. And I'm tired of our people (and our friends around the world) being human targets for people who don't like our 'way of life'. I'm tired of people thinking it's okay to strap a bomb to their chests, walk into a crowded market and blow the shit out of so many people who did nothing but happen to go shopping that day or go to work that day in a tower in NYC.

We're doing the same thing, Rob. We're doing the same damn thing. The only difference is, our technology has brought us to the point that we don't have to strap bombs to our chests, we can hit them from miles away.

You must first look into deaths eyes without fear. You must accept that you are on a string that will eventutally end... and you must accept that no matter what you do, you will not change what has been.

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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #29 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 2:05pm »

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We're doing the same thing, Rob. We're doing the same damn thing. The only difference is, our technology has brought us to the point that we don't have to strap bombs to our chests, we can hit them from miles away.

Your right. And you know what, good for us. And your right about the world not changing. It won't. It is swirling around the bowl as is.. so let's stop what we can stop now and save some of OUR people's lives.

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« Reply #30 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 2:10pm »

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I'm sorry that you think it's us against the Muslims. No, it's us against the terrorists. We are trying to keep these people over in the Middle East so they don't come over here and take over our country. We are helping to build their country up so that we won't be the country who went over there destroyed everything and left. We are trying to help other countries have a better way of life free of terrorism because we believe in life. You say we are killing innocent people. Unfortunately that's a fact of war and those coward terrorists are hiding amongst the innocent.

Whether you believe it or not because of how the liberal potrays the news, there are many Iraqis (Christian as well as Muslim Iraqis) who want us there.

This sounds harsh, but if you don't like our country then I hope you will go to another country that you think is better than ours.

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« Reply #31 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 2:48pm »

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This sounds harsh, but if you don't like our country then I hope you will go to another country that you think is better than ours.

To Blest2BAmerican:

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Do you want to join me in a send-off party.

A couple of months back I receive an email of a joke. I think we need to lighten the atmosphere here a little. At the same time, I agree with the joke. I'm sure I'm going to p!$$ people off but what the he!!. Here goes.....

Subject: Bon Voyage!

Celebrity Cruise:

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« Reply #32 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 4:48pm »

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I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but I have nothing against anyone but the terrorists. I'm just looking at the entire world today and seeing what a crap heap it is. And I'm tired of our people getting killed for nothing more than being who we are. Enough is enough already.

My opinion is not right or wrong, it just is.. and because I live in this country I'm free to express it. Just as you all are. And thats fine. I agree that we can disagree about anything. I am not angry or anything else at anyone's thoughts. I welcome them.

And as for 'our' country.. if we want to get down to it, the country actually was inhabited by my people, which was stolen from by the settlers here. But that is a whole other thing...

Okay let me ask you all this... you think my thoughts of just nuking places out of existance... okay, may be harsh, but what do YOU suggest we do?

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« Reply #33 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 6:38pm »

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This sounds harsh, but if you don't like our country then I hope you will go to another country that you think is better than ours.

To Blest2BAmerican:

I love this! My DH will too. Grin

I remember all the hoopla when the celebs threw their tantrums and said they would leave the country if W got re-elected, but, unfortunately....they are all still here. Roll Eyes

I would have been more than happy to join you in helping them pack. Hell, I would have bought some of their plane tickets.

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« Reply #34 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 6:54pm »

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Rob,
It was in NO way directed at you. I actually agree with you (well about 95%). I am part Native American. My Great Grandmother was full blood Cherokee. I have been slowly tracking down my geneology. I am just sooooo sick of people sticking up for the terrorist.
Every race, religion, and way of life has fanatics. It the fanatics that I have a problem with. I am willing to fight for what I believe, but I do not want to cram it down anyones throat. I have friends who are Christian, Muslam, Jewish, and even some Athiest. Quite frankly, I love the debates we get into. We all get along quite well. For me 9/11 was the last straw. Maybe it was just brought to my attention on 9/11. I just can't stand the idea of letting anyone get away with it. We need to fight back, if we don't, then the terroris have won. We live in a country that is sooooooooo tollerant, maybe a little too tollerant. I can't stand political correctness. We let people imagrate to the US. They do not have to learn the language. They can wave their flag from their home country, and we all find this acceptable. HERES WHERE I AM GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE MAD!!! If you have so much pride, and love for the country you are waving your flag from,

GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME

!! I do not believe other countries are that tollerant. I proudly display the American flag at my home. I know that many people have died to give me that right. I am sorry that I have gotten off topic. I guess I have just let it all build up. For all of you out there who have loved ones in our armed forces.......

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

......They are always in my prayers, and have my deepest gratitude!!
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« Reply #35 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 6:59pm »

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Personally Rob, nuking isn't the answer. We've all lived with terrorism or something similar regardless of the decade. Anyone remember the 72 Olympics? The bloodshed there through terroristic acts.

Saying let's have a nuke fest just alters the ecosystems we all need to survive. Nuking comes with a price, a heavier one than I would be willing pay.

Really there's just no clear cut answer since we find it hard to accept people, beliefs, choices and religions for what they are to any individual.

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« Reply #36 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 7:01pm »

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Mommybird:

that was a great post, i just have one request PLEASE DON'T SEND THEM TO CANADA! I feel we have enough america haters (not me or my friends or family) in Canada, we don't need any more. Send them to a island somewhere out there, where they can be happy together.

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« Reply #37 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 7:14pm »

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What do we do then? How do we put an end to this shit? How do we protect the innocent people who pay for the freaking nuts in this world? As I've always said, I think I'm must be jaded. But 9/11 was it for me as well. I saw people jumping from 80+ floors to avoid burning up in a fire. Yes, they *jumped*.. infact I saw one pair holding hands. I didn't actually see the first plane hit but I saw the 2nd plane hit.. it was beyond horrible. I can not imagine the fear that those people went through on that plane or any of the others when they knew what was happening.

And now, we can't look at the news without seeing more of our military killed by bombs over there. When do you really think they will come home? I have no idea.. I dont think anyone will know. *Nothing* is going to change. If it hasn't by now... the crap we spew isn't going to make it any better. And that saddens me.

Yes.. the ecosystem will be even more screwed up. It's already screwed up pretty much. The weather is totally screwed up, the pollution is out of control. The air, well.. better to just breathe car exhaust. The water, used to be blue/green... now you throw a stick in the east river and it stands up.

We've lived through the terriorism because we do *nothing* to put an end to it. Time to say, 'hey ass, we aren't going to sit and talk around a table anymore.' Time for action.

But really... what else is there to do so that we can end this? So you..or your family can travel around the world without worrying about being a freaken target. Believe me, there is nothing more I would love than peace. But let's do a reality check. When has there *ever* been peace? But there can be control. We can say, 'hey, we aren't going to be targets anymore.'

I still look at my niece and nephew.. who are 4 and 5 and wonder what their world is going to be like when they are in their 30's. And you know what, it scares the crap out of me.

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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #38 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 7:38pm »

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Hey peace is the ultimate, but we throw one nuke and out come all the others and nothing is solved.

Nothing is getting solved with peace talks either. Like I said, there's no answer, but it is a hitler-like mentality to try to extinguish a race or culture because you despise it, no? There's no arguing or discussing with people who have extreme beliefs either left, right, up or down.

Unfortunately the terrorism abroad has been brought onto our turf. We've had that terrorism here before (still do), but chose to label that gangs.

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Re: Explosions in London
« Reply #39 on: Jul 10^th, 2005, 7:52pm »

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Your right, the nuke thing is the extreme.. but maybe it's time for that. I don't see it as a hitler type thing. Hitler killed jews, gays, gypsy's etc because of who they are. Sort of like us getting killed because of who we are. I see it more of us dropping the bomb on japan to end ww2.

I don't know. I'm not saying I'm right. Just pissed off that so many of us are dying for fruitcakes. I have just as much disgust for our home grown nuts too. Tim McVey, he got what he deserved, only it was to quick, to nice.

Sometimes I think we have become a country where the accused has far more rights than the victims.

lol aren't you all glad I'm not president? lol...

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