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wickerbeal
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Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« on: Apr 8th, 2005, 9:10pm » |
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Has anyone used beeswax with the advance ecosoya? I was wondering if it would help with the scent throw. 
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #1 on: Apr 9th, 2005, 12:23pm » |
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I will be trying the beeswax combo this weekend, but I did try some with vybar the other day and it seemed to help some with the hot and cold throw.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #2 on: Apr 9th, 2005, 7:22pm » |
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I also poured a few this week adding 1/2 tsp. vybar per pound of wax, they look great, haven't test burned them yet. I'm going to try mixing beeswax in some this weekend. Let me know how yours turn out.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #3 on: Apr 10th, 2005, 7:41pm » |
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Ya'll please post your findings with the beeswax added. I have some of that wax I want to test with the beeswax next weekend and am interested in your results.
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wickerbeal
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #4 on: Apr 13th, 2005, 9:23pm » |
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I poured several different scents 3 days ago, using 2 oz b/w and 1/2 tsp vybar to 1 lb advanced. They look really good, no frosting or wet spots. Will wait a couple of weeks to test. burn. The cold throw was not too strong at first, but is getting better every day.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #5 on: Apr 13th, 2005, 9:45pm » |
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Did you put the vybar and the beeswax in the same batch? That is a lot of beeswax for 1 lb of wax, about a 6% load. I get cracking at 5%. I am very curious on how they set up for you.
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wickerbeal
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #6 on: Apr 13th, 2005, 10:33pm » |
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I did put the vybar and the beeswax in the same batch. They set up very nice. No cracking or sinking. The top is very smooth.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #7 on: Apr 14th, 2005, 8:30am » |
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What temp did you pour at?
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wickerbeal
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #8 on: Apr 14th, 2005, 12:44pm » |
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I poured all at about 130 except one batch I forgot about, that one was poured at around 125
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I poured another set yesterday. Three 6-ounce candles. All have the same "base". I had to use grams on my scale to get the same amount of additives in each container. The "base" was made of:
1. 6 oz. of CBA
2. 6% of a VERY strong FO
3. 2 grams of turquoise dye*
* I used crystals just to make sure the solvents did not do anything with the wax, but I still wanted a dark shade.
I used a strong FO that I know from my experience that if I use even at 6% in a dark soy color that it should definitely frost most times.
-First one made with just the above. (Base Candle)
-Second same as first but added 3% BW (BW Candle)
-Third same as first but added 2% vybar 260 (Vybar Candle)
Here are the results:
1. Base candle: When removing the lid after 24 hours it had a very strong smell. I obviously could detect a difference in using a "good" FO (more expensive type) as opposed to an "average" one. Frosting - this candle had a very slight amount of frost on the top of the candle. I fully expected more with this dark of a color and the amount of this particular FO. Even with this slight amount of top frost I'm still very happy with this candle. I'm pretty sure if I reduce the amount of FO to 4 or 5% I could get rid of the frost entirely.
2. BW candle: This is the absolute BEST of the three. ZERO frost, creamier appearance. It was hard to believe it could actually looked better than the base candle, but since it was just a bit slightly creamier with no frost its obviously better. The smell is also stronger (I tried to be objective, but I think it is stronger, but if so, just slightly).
3. Vybar candle. This is the worst of the three. Frost on top AND on sides. Also some lines. I do not believe the strength of smell of this candle is any better that the base candle. It could get better after time, and perhaps the hot throw will be the best, however, with the frost, I personally will not be using vybar in this particular wax. I won't say it caused the frost, but since the base candle only had a slight frost on top, I'm thinking it will definitely amplify it if the potential is already present. Now I did use the maximum amount of 2%, but you could use as little as .5% according to Peaks.
I'll try to burn these in some controlled way over the next week and report back.
EDIT: Forgot to say, I poured all three between 165 and 167F. I know thats hot, but I wanted to see what I could get away with. Maybe pouring cooler will make them better, but my goal is to pour as hot as I can get away with since I don't want to wait (its one of the main reasons why I switched to this wax actually).
Also, you can see some wet spots after 24 hours - but they are very large. In my limited experience with this wax, the wax in my earlier testers all eventually (after a few days) pulled away from the sides, so, no wet spots (maybe they'll come back - I don't know).
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PrairieDweller
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #10 on: Apr 14th, 2005, 8:36pm » |
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Hi Henry,
I have read your posts today with much interest and respect. I value anyone's dedication to such thorough testing and research as you've been doing. Thanks for sharing your results as well.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #11 on: Apr 14th, 2005, 9:04pm » |
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Henry
I poured 2 testers last night and put 4% beeswax in one of them and 1/4 tsp of vybar in the other. I put a large FO load in them, about 9%, heated them the wax to about 195 and poured about 125.
The one with vybar, like yours, was frosted all over the sides. The one with the beeswax had a large patch of frost on one side of it only but had a large wet spot around it. Both of them to me have about the same cold throw, though I haven't burned them to check the hot throw yet. I have poured another tonight putting the same FO load in it, but put 4% beeswax and 1/4 tsp vybar in it and poured it about 120. It seems like the ones with vybar in them seem to take longer to set up. I may pour another one tomorrow (depending on what the one looks like tomorrow,that I poured tonight), with just the beeswax again and pour it hotter, like you did. I would switch to this wax just because the tops come out so nice and smooth, if I could get them to throw well. Please keep us posted and thanks for posting your results.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #12 on: Apr 14th, 2005, 9:54pm » |
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Your candles look great. I've been pouring at around 130, but next time will try pouring at a higher temp.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #13 on: Apr 15th, 2005, 8:44am » |
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Poured 8 oz keepsake jar (3 ½” dia.) last night, with 9% FO, ¼ tsp. Vybar and 5% beeswax. Poured at about 120. This morning, sides covered with frosting and a sink hole in the middle. Since HenryK had such good luck with just the beeswax, I may try another this weekend, with just beeswax and pour it hotter as the one I poured cooler did not turn out. Don’t know about this wax, I am not sold on it yet. Have yet to get a good candle out of my testers and they don’t smell as strong as my current wax .
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #14 on: Apr 15th, 2005, 10:21am » |
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Its amazing how we are getting such different results. None of my test candles (this set or the other ones) were poured lower than 160F. The sinkhole perhaps is due to the amount of BW you are using - 5% ? Plus maybe BW and vybar just don't get along!
The only "bad" candle I've gotten is the one with vybar, but I could have almost duplicated that result with a regular soy, this FO and color, but since the BW added one was perfect, and the "basic" one close to perfect, I still say this wax handles things better - at least for me.
I wish the pic was better and you could see the frosting, but you can at least see that very white line at the very top on the one on the right (that is the vybar one), but its the overall frost on that one that you can't see unfortunately. The candle looks dusty and patchy in person.
That FO that you are using 9% of - have you used that in other soys without problems? Just asking because like I said I know that some of the FOs I have are so strong (like WYW and Cocoons) that you really can't use them at 9%. For one its a waste of money, and secondly the frost/burn issues. IMHO if I have an issue, one of the first things I think of is the FO, its good to keep notes on the ones that cause trouble, because you can back down on them sometimes just a bit and everything will change for the better.
As a final note I'm not one to put much faith in curing but I noticed that my first set of testers (the red ones that had what I call an "average" FO in) DID have a stronger cold and hot throw after about a week (say 5 days). Now, they are NOT going to fill up a room just sitting there unlit, but there is a noticeable difference when picking them up and smelling them, and burning them for a couple hours. (And these were ones without any additives). So, like others have said about this wax - this one in particular seems to need to sit for awhile.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #15 on: Apr 15th, 2005, 10:48am » |
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I use 8 to 9% load in my KY without any issues. Could even put more in some of them but they don’t need it. Some of the stronger ones, I back it down to about 7%. I think I am having issues with the Ecosoya because I am pouring it cool. I am going to try one more tonight with the beeswax and pouring hotter and see. I am definitely leaving out the vybar this time, the soy does not seem to like it. I am going for a good hot throw from it in a few days. I pour my candles as I sell them and I can’t tell the customer that they can’t have their candle for 2 or 3 weeks because it has to cure. I have to have a wax that I can get to produce a hot throw in a matter of a few days, not a few weeks. I just want to get one out of this wax that I am happy with so I can test a few of my FO’s.
I have also been testing the S & P smooth container blend and have not had luck with it yet either, sinks in the middle sometimes, which is not that big of a deal, but also can’t make up it’s mind whether it wants to adhere to the jar or not, so I have a giant wet spot in each of the 3 testers I have poured. I have poured them each at different temps and always the same result. It tends to frost as well, as soy does. I think I have fixed my reason for wanting to switch from my current wax anyway. I was having bubble issues, when I would go to heatgun it, it was notorious for air bubbles and would ruin the tops. I have just realized in the last couple of days that my thermometers were not working properly and I may have been overcooking my wax. That most certainly could produce air bubbles in the wax, I would think. Anyway, bit the bullet and bought some good ones last night at Linens and Things last night. The KY tester I poured last night, turned out great this morning, just a quick zap with the heatgun and it was good to go with just a couple of small bubbles that popped up, but then went away. That wax does throw well. So until something better comes along I will probably be hanging with it for a while. But still will be pouring that tester for Ecosoya tonight, and pouring hot. I am determined that I am gonna get one good candle out of this batch. Thanks for your postings HenryK. You are part of my inspiration to try new waxes.
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Henryk
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #16 on: Apr 16th, 2005, 9:11am » |
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OK, its been a couple days and I'll start burning them today, but I asked someone else their opinion - my little double-blind study - and they said the exact same thing I thought. The cold throw goes from strongest to weakest this way:
1. Vybar-added <-> 2. BW-added (or the reverse)
3. Base candle
Its a REALLY a close call between the BW and the Vybar though - real hard to distinguish. Both are very strong. Since the BW is a "natural" type additive and does not interfere (frost) the wax, for me IF I use an additive, it'll be BW. One could probably cut down the amount of vybar to perhaps reduce the frost but then you would probably reduce the throw - and therefore, what is the point then, might as well use the BW as its nearly the exact same price point. (Also, I guess one may want to consider the "natural wax" - "vegan" thing).
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #17 on: Apr 16th, 2005, 9:31am » |
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I'll be waiting patiently for your results on each burn. I hope you plan on posting some of your wonderful testing photos.
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Now where are my notes on that candle?.....I know they're here somewhere.
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Re: Ecosoya -CBAdvanced
« Reply #18 on: Apr 16th, 2005, 12:58pm » |
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Ooooh, I'm anxiously awaiting your burn results too!  I'm especially curious to see how the beeswax affects the burn as I've never used beeswax. In your experience does it make wicking more difficult even at 3% or doesn't it really affect the burn quality? I love how this wax burns and don't really want to change its characteristics.
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Henryk
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Here are some pics from yesterday. I'm not testing hot throw right now - that will be later. These first two are from an initial 2-hour burn period.
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